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hoth22
Starting Member
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 Posted - 03/11/2009 : 19:20:36
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What happened to the engine issue postings which was getting a ton of input?
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Posted - 03/12/2009 : 07:35:05
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| hey how about we just show up at the track with our engines out of the car and put them all in one big pile number them and then draw numbers to see what engine we will run for that event this would save money on tech and eliminate engine tear downs! talk about an even playing field! I too would like to see the engine postings back, this still needs to be addressed |
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supercup18
Forum Admin
253 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2009 : 08:37:48
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The post was removed because it started heading the wrong direction. I am all for talking about engine tech and tear down procedures but I do not want to see the forum turning into a battle zone for different suppliers. The rules have been laid down for this season. If the series decides to go the direction of one sealer it will have to be put on the table for next year. We are only 1 month away from hitting the track so forcing people to redo or get their engines to one location at this point would not be fair to the drivers. We still have drivers far north in WI. and even one still in MI. with several in IN..
I spoke with some of the board members yesterday and I just want to stress again our goal of keeping a competitive playing field on the track this year. Engines will be inspected along with many other items checked to insure a level playing field.
So lets use the forum as a great tool to discuss issues for the future development of CSR. Every ones input is always encouraged. Just like how I remove the other solicitors that try to post nonsense on our forum all the time I will remove topics that become negative towards one person, vendor or the orginization as a whole.
So now lets talk about engines, carbs or more importantly how my baby is almost back together... Not so bad. $40.00 in steel and a few hours of fabricating, welding and a little paint and its just like new.
Jeff Myers
Supercupracing.com
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holeinone4
Administrator
Armenia
53 Posts |
 Posted - 03/12/2009 : 12:12:05
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Sammy,
maybe we should eliminate the engine all together, and just push the cars around the track.
No tech
No maintenance
No parts
great health benifits, if you don't drop dead after the first heat.
I AM NOT TRYING TO SINGLE ANY ONE OUT HERE, AND THIS IS JUST A FRIENDLY POST, NO HARM INTENDED. I TRIED TO ADD SMILIES, BUT DON'T KNOW HOW, AND I AM GOING ON MY 15TH minute typeing this post. I am slower here than I was on the track.
How's the COT body biz going? Let me know if you want one in the store.
Steve #4 |
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Lawman9
Average Member
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2009 : 12:24:11
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I understand the kids division is very spread out, and yes its getting crunch time. However, in the adult class, i dont see a single registered adult driver from IN or MI, and only 1 from Wisconsin, so i dont think there would be any problem getting the adult drivers engines done, one motor one seal. Ill even trade anonymously motors at Kens shop if that helps. Ill even pick up your motor from your house and bring it to Kens before the start of the season.
From all the adult drivers ive talked too this is what they want. If its not going to be a rule this year, I emplore any drivers without a KJM seal to get on board with us.
This is not an attack on any dealer, builder, sealer, csr member, republican, democrat, chinese shoe maker or russian doll maker. I know everyone's intention is to make it fair and have fun in the end. But lets make the competition on the track, not in the shop.
Ive said my peace, feel free to call me anytime, because im going racing now!
"It's a never ending battle of making your cars better and also trying to be better yourself."
-Dale Earnhardt
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supercup21
Junior Member
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2009 : 12:48:58
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Erik can I get a democratic russian doll with chinese shoes sealed by KJM by the end of april
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Lawman9
Average Member
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2009 : 12:55:48
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You got it Karl!
"It's a never ending battle of making your cars better and also trying to be better yourself."
-Dale Earnhardt
-- www.LawmenRacing.com -- |
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supercup18
Forum Admin
253 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2009 : 13:18:41
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Here you go Karl.. A Russian doll sealed and all!!!!! Right through the nose. Not sure what kind of shoes are on though!
Jeff Myers
Supercupracing.com
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hoth22
Starting Member
USA
30 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2009 : 19:38:53
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I was asked last November by a member of the board what my intentions were regarding racing in the 2009 season. My response was and still is today, even with the status of the economy, I have enough funding to race the entire 2009 season and I plan on doing so. BUT as I said back in November and I will restate now on this forum. If I feel the playing field is not level I will re-evaluate my commitment to this series. Lets be honest, all of us want to win and if someone says anything different they are lying. I may not like it but I can accept losing to someone who is playing on the level within our rules.
I can speak first hand that I was robbed out of the glory of my first and only feature win by a cheater. Robbed from crossing the finish line ahead of all my competitors, robbed from my family and I hearing my name announced to a Saturday night crowd as a Feature Winner, robbed from the Victory Lane Photo, robbed from a 30 sec. track interview. Although scarred for the rest of my life (Joke), at 40+ I can deal with it. Can or should some of our younger drivers? I would like to see someone like Jacob VanWaser or Dakota Potts jump out of their cars smiling from ear to ear with the trill of victory. Instead of, at the end of the night, after all the fans have left, all the cars have been loaded on the trailers, all of the arguing over an illegal motor is complete, a trophy is handed to the young racer, by that time probably half asleep, declaring him/her the Winner. Sorry but that is not right.
The first posting of this engine issue was viewed approximately 300 times in two and half days before it was removed. Since I started this tread about 24 hours ago it has been viewed approximately 160 times. THIS MEANS IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE WHICH NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED SWIFTLY AND RESPONSIBLY. Something as important as the preseason meeting tread only got 164 views in total.
For the record, I do not care who builds motors, in fact for the Jr. drivers I think refreshing their own race motors would have been a good parent/driver project over the off season (we should be teaching these kids something as well as have fun). As Jeff stated and demonstrated at the drivers meeting there is no magic to these motors. Its only 15 bolts, all the parts are basically stock Honda parts which can be purchased from the dealer of your choice and as long as the motor is built to CSR specifications, it should be good. So in my opinion, if your motor was built by a parent/driver, one of the mini cup dealers or even Jack Roush, it doesn’t really matter. Take your race ready motor to the Tech Director, Ken Jones get it sealed and rest assured, go out and have a great 2009 season.
If you feel uncomfortable having your motor inspected and sealed by the CSR Tech Director prior to start of the season most likely you are not playing fair PERIOD
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holeinone4
Administrator
Armenia
53 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2009 : 19:55:57
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You guys can talk dolls, I just wanted to touch on some other unfinished business, and then I'm done.
Competition is good on the track and every other facet of life. Without competition where would we be? Where You see a Mc Donald’s, you also see a Wendy's and a Burger King right around the corner. The competition builds as close as they can. In life this is expected, and should not be viewed as a threat. If not for competition we would all be eating one burger with one kind of drink, no choice, and be forced to eat and drink it whether we like it or not.
Competition is a good thing, and it will only benefit the drivers. NASCAR allows several engine builders, reason, choice and competition.
Choice is good, and competition keeps the businessman honest.
I have been in business for going on 29 years. When I see a new company pop up, I don't see them as a threat or competition, I see them as a benefit to my business.
#1 I now have to step up my performance, so I am always on my toes, doing the best job I can, so the so-called competition doesn't get my work, who benefits? The customers.
#2 this new so-called competition can't possibly have the tools and know how that I have acquired over my 29 years, so what do I do? I offer this so called competition my services at a reduced rate, they get my 29 years of Knowledge and don't have to say no to the job and lose the business to the competition. Win, Win situation.
#3 I now have a business relationship with this so-called competition. He is not a threat, I helped him, and he helped me. Win, Win situation.
#4 I get calls on a daily basis from customers wanting work done, that I either can’t do, or don't want to do. What do I do? I call my so-called competition that I now have a business relationship with, and I pass the customer info on to him. WIN, WIN situation.
I have joined forces with 2 engine builders, both of which have been around racing for quite some time. I am a Certified Honda Engine dealer. I have great business relationships with several minicup suppliers from around the globe. I am a fully stocked NC Chassis dealer. None of these people see me as a threat or competition in any way. It is viewed as bettering the race community by offering both choice and competition.
We must cater to both, the Adult and the junior divisions. We are the largest traveling series in the USA, and the future of racing is in the kid’s hands.
After talking with most of the drivers over the past 3 years, I have found they did not want to be told that they had to go to any one engine builder, and this is obvious by the wide array of different engines running around in our series alone, not to mention around the Country. Again, CHOICE is GOOD and competition is better. No matter where the competition is taking place on the track or in the shop. The bottom line is we all have a choice. If you would feel more comfortable buying your firesuit from one store and having your engine sealed by the other, more power to ya.
I would have liked nothing more than to join forces, and have stated this on several occasions to several people. This is all history.
We as a series must focus on the future, and as it stands right now, we're looking pretty good. We have 37 days before our first race, still plenty of time to get our cars ready for the season, but let's not wait till the last minute.
I just talked with Toni from Browns. She called me, and will be joining us on March 14th for the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in Chicago.
I also have another great sponsor on the line; they will be back in contact with me some time next week. This will be another Corp. Biggy, let's all cross our fingers for this one.
CSR has a great cash reserve to start the year, with the only upcoming expense being our kid's insurance. Everything else has been paid in full.
$100.00 Registrations have started to pour in. For you stragglers, Please get your registration in before the first race on April 19, 2009 and don’t forget to give me your shirt size.
Rose or Laurie please call me for an update at your convenience.
The CSR Super Cup Raffle competition is officially underway. Thanks to all of the vendors participating in this landmark raffle. We are raffling off a brand new Avenger Race car valued at $11,500.00 plus several other great prizes; Provided by Peaceful Valley Resort, Dells Raceway Park, The Car Doctor, 83 & Devon Car Wash, Promo Ink, Pete's Porting, Diamond Remodeling, Hole in One MotorSports,and Hole in One Energy. Anyone wishing to add prizes to this event please contact me or any of the board members.
Cash prizes and trophies will be awarded at the Banquet for top ticket sales, the person who sells the winning ticket for the Grand Prize, etc.
Thanks to Kevin Brown, Rose Velez, Jeff Myers, Jim Termanas, David Kast, Jack Potts, Chad Logan, Jeff James, Jamie Clos, Dakota Morris, Tom Pritchett, Bob Murphy and Steve Naples for all your hard work in the early stages of this raffle in the ticket distribution department. Without the dedication of our drivers this raffle could not be a success.
Anyone needing tickets to sell, please contact Steve. 815-331-9134
Anyone needing tickets to buy, please contact any CSR driver or go to www.supercupracing.com or www.holeinonemotorsports.biz
Looking forward to a great 2009 season
Steve Naples #4
www.holeinonemotorsports.biz
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Team 31 Racing
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2009 : 21:44:50
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Only a few more weeks of hockey and then I can really get back to enjoying this.
Having been in this club for 10 years (Yikes)I have seen growth every year this CLUB has improved, larger and become more respected. Why, because we follow the rules. Having been involved as secretary and assisting in tech for those years we have seen most of it all and I'm sure that there is stuff we have not caught as a club. Once again I feel for the drivers that have not been in victory lane because of others choice to test the system. I have adjusted the points for the past few years because of these drivers. If you want these drivers to continue to take away your victories - let them seal themselves.
Our best season in my opinion was when we all took our motor to one place to be sealed on a Saturday, the motor was torn down and teched and sealed by CSR officials. All areas of the motor were verified and sealed in the same afternoon with CSR people in one room. The seals that we now have are much better and will show if someone has tampered with them.
As we get more drivers aggravated with the possibility of running without having these sealed by a "CSR approved" sealer the car count will continue to diminish. I personally am tired of running with these drivers, adjusting the points and awarding points to drivers that should have won at the track and not on the wabsite and final standings. Many of us have seen over the years these motors and carb's on the track and it is very discouraging to drive 40 miles to 500 miles to get your A$$ kicked by a cheater. If we continue to support these drivers they will keep trying to race. Most of these drivers that have been caught will not race with us because they feel we are "Too Hard" on Tech. Wonder why?
My suggestion would be to do a mass sealing at one location with a minimum of Two "CSR Officials" acting as sealers and knock this out in one day - like we have done in the past. The officials can tech the motor, document and seal the motor. It's only 15 bolts and probably a hour a motor.
Back to Hockey - Scared? - Say Scared -
The crabby old man
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PuddyKat
Starting Member
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Posted - 03/12/2009 : 21:45:24
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A quick lesson on smiley's when you post instead of replying under the last post go up above the first post and there is a reply. Click on that one and there's your smiley's 
Now Steve on your next post I expect to see a smiley. 
Sorry couldn't resist it. 
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Lawman9
Average Member
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2009 : 22:16:29
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We're a club, not a national organization, i got into this series because everyone was eating McDonalds, and I knew what i was eating. So the question should be what the majority of the members want to do. I hope someone will ask that question.
I think its great that HIOM is promoting minicup/CSR racing and working very hard to do it, there definitly has been some benefits to all. I just don't think that there needs to be competition in the motors, we saw what that competition did last year to guys like Erle. Lets keep the competition to the track.
"It's a never ending battle of making your cars better and also trying to be better yourself."
-Dale Earnhardt
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supercup18
Forum Admin
253 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 06:04:13
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Thanks for your input Erle and all the other posters. So I am clear about this engine situation I am not opposed to having CSR officials seal engines. The only issue I have with it right now is the timing. For several years we have allowed other engine seals. If the series votes and decides they would like to have one exclusive sealer I am all for it. We can not force this issue this close to the season beginning however. If you have noticed I have started a new thread for 2010 suggestions and made it a stickey topic. 1st topic added "Engines all sealed by only CSR officials." This does not limit where you can have your engine built. So I encourage our drivers to post their ideas on the suggestion chart. This will give myself and the board (Or the new board) in 2010 a good starting place when organizing the series for the following season.
With Erle's comments I would like to say this. I agree with him 100% and that is why I came right out and stated at the drivers meeting "Seals or no seals" engines will come apart if we feel there is a problem. Whether EES, MM, KJM or HIOM... The internet and current technology has given many people that like to look for that grey area or ways to cheat the system tools and ideas that sometimes can be deceptive under normal inpsections. We have been doing this a long time and can usually spot foul play with the seals but just in case we have missed something I leave open the option of tearing down sealed motors. If it happens after a race does it rob the glory from the true victor, yes. That is an unfortunate factor when playing this game. Happens in Nascar, the olympics and almost every sport out there. You can not call a competitor a cheater until he or she has actually played the game. We will be looking for these situations as best as possible however before an individual takes to the track to try to avoid these kinds of situations. Spot checks on seals, carbs and other components will be a regular practice this season. People that cringe at the idea of having their cars inspected before a race are usually hiding something. We will be looking! Drivers that have had issues in the past will be under the microscope and be frequnted by our tech officials on a consistant basis.
So thank you for all of your comments and ideas. On a final note I will stress again we will be very hard in the tech department this season and this is only to insure a level playing field for all.
Jeff Myers
Supercupracing.com
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jacob88
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2009 : 07:44:09
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| I still think there is time to have all engines sealed by CSR. Remember it's only 15 bolts. Its sounds to me like this is what the club want and we as board members we should listen. We have few people in CSR that can tech the engines lets use them it will go alot faster. Let Steve and ken seal engies at test and tune day how long can that take. Just because a engine has seal on it that doesint mean crap this was proven in the jr division last year. This is a big deal me as a board member is for this. |
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Lawman7
New Member
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2009 : 09:40:11
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I agree. There is plenty of time to get engines inspected and sealed before the season starts. So what if a few can't get it done in time. Just set a deadline 2-3 races in and anyone after that gets torn down after the race. I see people in and out of Ken's shop seven days a week for parts or assistance with their cars when they need it. It's hard to believe they can't get there over an engine inspection when they make the time to travel hundreds of miles for a race day or have to scramble over to KJM or Steve's between races because of a broken part they need to race the next weekend.
As for having one person inspect engines, my vote is for Ken. He has never had any issues with illegal parts, engines or carbs. And there is nothing wrong with a CSR Official to stand by while he does it. CSR is only a fraction of the work these other engine builders do for a living so they apparently feel they have nothing to loose if they get caught, which is evidenced by what we have been seeing thus far. With KJM a large part of his income comes from CSR and would be much less motivated to cheat up a motor and loose his friends, income and reputation. These other builders obviously don't seem to care about such things when they try to pass off on our drivers engines and carbs they know are illegal. Their only intent is to increase their customers performance so other drivers come to them and order engines which will increase income. They play the odds of getting caught to make some cash on the front end. If they should get caught and loose business later, they still have plenty of other drivers and clubs throughout the country who refuse to seal motors to keep them in business for years to come.
You know what they say, "In a perfect world" but unfortunately it's not and this issue will not be laid to rest until it is required that all engines be sealed or subject to tear down after a race.
Some ol' state trooper chased me thirty-nine times, but never came close......Curtis Turner
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